now, michigan just passed a right to work law, right? ohio tried to pass one, but it didn't, it got reversed by the voters. >> indiana. >> megyn: indiana just did it and i don't understand, it's just happened can we really blame all of the decreases, so many of the decreases on these laws? they just happened or about to happen. >> they have occurred, now we're going to see the influence and the impact, because they are recognizing in those states that unions have no relevance. >> megyn: what i'm saying is, if the laws in many of these states either didn't pass like ohio or yet to take effect, then can you really blame the loss in union power on these laws? something's happening in these states, separate and apart from the laws. >> megyn, i'm not blaming anybody, i'm crediting those states that are right to work in which we are seeing the greatest creation of jobs, the greater of-- >> i'm going to continue with you on the opposite side of the break, there's dangerous sign for the unions and their future and i'll tell you what it is after